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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:34 pm 
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The Beatles, Budokan Hall
Tokyo, Japan, June 30, 1966

A PRESENCE PRODUCTION

Mastered from 1" VTR tape.

NTSC, PCM, 44 minutes.

1. The Beatles arrive in Japan
2. Introduction
3. Rock and Roll Music
4. She's A Woman
5. If I Needed Someone
6. Day Tripper
7. Baby's In Black
8. I Feel Fine
9. Yesterday
10. I Wanna Be Your Man
11. Nowhere Man
12. Paperback Writer
13. I'm Down

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:57 pm 

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PM sent! :D

This looks really sweet! I'm excited to see the arrival footage. Thanks once again! :D


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:01 pm 

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I have a couple versions of this concert and am looking
forward to comparing them to this transfer.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:42 pm 
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OK, So now that I've had a chance to check it out a little bit...

This is pretty cool (to me) to have, because it's an interesting time in The Beatles' career.
'66 was the last year they played live, obviously, and it was also right on the cusp of when they started writing cooler (imho) songs.
Meaning a lot of Revolver/Rubber Soul songs are played live here, which you never see. That's why this is more valuable to me than say '64 performance or something. (Although I'd take something like that, too)
The sound isn't bad, everything's basically distinct, but the performance (on disc) could have been helped by a better audio track.
I'd be interested to know how this was recorded, because I see no mics on the amps or the drums.
There are 2 vocal mics up front, and one for Ringo to sing his song into.
If I had to guess, it's probably like a couple of stage mics for all the instruments mixed with the vocal mics. (When the crowd gets loud, they're REALLY loud in those stage mics)
The guys aren't SUPER tight in their playing and singing, but they get through it fine. They seem to botch a few words here and there especially when singing together. (You can hide it when singing solo)
At one point in Baby's In Black John and Paul give each other a knowing glance and smile after a near flub.
Back to the mics, the mic holders on the stands are loose, allowing the mic cable to pull the mic around while they try to sing into it. It's kind of amusing watching them fight and chase around the mics, but surely these guys knew how to tighten a mic holder on a stand?
That's kind of baffling.
Picture's great, as shown by the screen caps. It looks like it was recorded to video, but surely 1966 video technology wasn't this good? And especially in color?
Someone can chime in on that.
Wish it had a menu, but I know Presence likes the "pop in and go" style, which I appreciate sometimes, too. So no big deal there.
Thanks for the production, Jason. By the way, where did you find a tape player to play these 1" things?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:02 pm 
Definately better then the laser disc version. At first I didn't not recognize this to be the same show when Jason posted it.

I love the sound quality on this version as well. Some sections looked a little out of sync but, good all around. This could also be a glitch on my player.

I especially love this era of the Beatle, pre Sgt. Pepper.

Nice job, A+


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:13 pm 
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The documentary at the beginning is out of sync all over the place, but that is how the documentary was made and is not the fault of your player (or my mastering :P ).


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:22 pm 
While the 1966 tour is interesting as far as some of the set is concerned (If I Needed Someone, Day Tripper, Nowhere Man, Paperback Writer, Yesterday-full band version) there is nothing from Revolver, the album about to come out. If not for Paperback Writer, there would be nothing from 1966 in the set. For the Americans, this was more the Yesterday and Today tour, as that came out in the summer of '66. In fact, 4 of the 5 songs I mentioned earlier are on that album.

But the performance isn't that great overall, and if you compare it to a hot performance from 1963 or early 1964, there in no comparison. Like any band that is at their peak, the earlier years had them playing and singing great. But they actually liked playing live still back then. Not so in 1966. One song that was done live on the 1965 December UK tour that never was played again was We Can Work It Out, supposedly with Paul on electric piano. There are no versions in existance yet, but that would be kind of neat to hear.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:29 pm 
texaspete4 wrote:
The sound isn't bad, everything's basically distinct, but the performance (on disc) could have been helped by a better audio track.
I'd be interested to know how this was recorded, because I see no mics on the amps or the drums.
There are 2 vocal mics up front, and one for Ringo to sing his song into.
If I had to guess, it's probably like a couple of stage mics for all the instruments mixed with the vocal mics. (When the crowd gets loud, they're REALLY loud in those stage mics)

You can see the amp mics, they're just not very close to the cabinets. I guess you could debate whether to call those "stage mics" or "non-close amp mics" :-) I think the tall stand next to Ringo is a side address card pointed down at the drums.

(My screen cap knowledge kinda sucks. These are from the VCD)


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:37 pm 
that drum mike looks like it might be a bit mis-aimed :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:51 pm 
side address card

Just a theory, though.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:33 pm 
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You're right, there is actually no Revolver material in the set. My laziness makes me look a fool. =)
And as for the mics, dunno how I missed those. There they are, plain as day.
George seems a little lost in the mix at times, although he comes through GREAT when he's playing the 12 string.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:35 pm 
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Looking at your pictures, I'd probably call those stereo stage mics. (not including the drum mic)
Basically there's one in front of John's amp, and one in front of Paul's.
I don't see one aimed at George's. (which explains him being buried)


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:53 am 
I have a version that is from the Laserdisc by the Seltaeb Fan Club(its beatles spelled backwards I know :lol: ) and here are some screenshots from it. I tried to get a couple similar shots to Prez.

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They did some video correction on this and had some samples in the intro.

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Anyway I am not sure how I feel about the correction but I love the microphones that move as they play...classic. :D

All in all a very good transfer Prez.[/img]


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:57 am 
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Looks like the "Jima" version spoken about in the other thread.
http://www.royal-orleans.com/phpBB/view ... ht=#458222


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:39 am 
Presence wrote:
Looks like the "Jima" version spoken about in the other thread.
http://www.royal-orleans.com/phpBB/view ... ht=#458222


Ohhhh I didn't read that thread. I would say it is the Jima version and now we have some screenshots of it. :D


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:53 am 
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Presence wrote:
Looks like the "Jima" version spoken about in the other thread.
http://www.royal-orleans.com/phpBB/view ... ht=#458222


Ohhhh I didn't read that thread. I would say it is the Jima version and now we have some screenshots of it. :D


So you didn't see the screenshots I posted of it then...


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:32 am 
I just finished downloading this DVD and just burned it.

Holy fucking shit!

This is by far the best quality version of this show I have ever seen, and I have several versions in my collection. The limitations of the video tape source are the only issues here, and its source appears to be better than most other versions. The VHS copies of broadcasts do not remotely compare to the laserdisc sources. But the laserdisc sources are typically vertically squashed. This one seems closest to what the cameras actually captured.

Of the previous versions, the Jima one was the best. It's color correction was its primary virtue, but the video was overly compressed. This version also has the rich range of color and deep blacks of the Jima version. But, this version is, frame by frame, sharper than any other version I have seen. I do not have the Anthology DVD. I would be interested in how this one compares to the Anthology version. I would not be surprised if it were no worse.

Thanks for your work in producing this one, Jason. I was jarred into action by the reports from others that these shows weren't worth the effort. However much I love LZ, I do love the Beatles more.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:51 am 

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Once again, you have made the "definitive" transfer of this show. The colors are rich, the banding is hidden as much as possible, and you made the best of otherwise crappy audio. Its such a upgrade over the Jima version. The Jima version doesn't have the documentary in the beginning, while your version does. I take that as a big plus. Not to mention that there isn't a lame "correction comparison" at the start of the video! :lol:

The show's set list is very interesting. I know I haven't seen any live video with songs like "If I Needed Someone" and "Paperback Writer" and the like. Did anyone see that the Vox Organ just sits there the whole show unused? I thought they used it for "I'm Down" but in this show, they don't. Its interesting seeing them fuck with the mics. You can see that they are on the verge of totally pissed by the end of the show. :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:01 am 
I've never seen any of the others versions of this show, but the quality here is amazing. Like several other people have mentioned, this version has rich colors and everything looks natural. I find the documentary fascinating. Too bad I'm watching this on my computer; I can't wait to see it on a real TV.

As for the show itself, the performance is good. The cameras have forced Lennon to calm down and he keeps his gibberish announcements to a minimum. They seem to be putting some effort into performing and doing well, which they had pretty much given up on by this point (listen to Munich, June 24 [on Spank's "Atlanta Seattle Munich"] for when they didn't care).

The moving mics are one of those things that are funny if they're not happening to you; at least they weren't getting hit by flying jelly beans! :lol:

I know somebody who has the "Anthology" DVD's; I'll have to borrow it from him and compare that with this.

Overall, this is a must-have of you're a Beatlemaniac. My feelings are exactly like mustardpie's: "However much I love LZ, I do love the Beatles more."

You've done another great job, Jason. Thanks for sharing!

PS: Now I have to do a B&P for the Presence version of "Let It Be". I'm sure it's a hell of a lot better than the original Apple version.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:59 pm 
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mustardpie wrote:
I was jarred into action by the reports from others that these shows weren't worth the effort. However much I love LZ, I do love the Beatles more.


Guilty as charged. My comments may indeed be taken as trying to discourage JP from working on this. Forgive me. Even though I love the Beatles more than LZ as well I could never warm up for their live shows past 1963 apart from a few isolated exceptions and these two shows are not among them. I'm glad you guys are enjoying this and that JP followed through. Another lesson learned.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:36 pm 
Very nice, thanks. I've never seen any of this, so I have no basis for comparison. I don't speak Japanese. Next time add subtitles. LOL I am not real familiar with live Beatles, so my point of comparison is weak.

The video is rather clear & the color is good. I did not expect that from 40+ year old stuff. The mix is weak, which ain't your fault, it just is. The intro to Day Tripper let me down, GH was too quiet. I love that riff. Not the most exillerating live performance, but live rock was still developing, I guess.

Could they have pushed Ringo's mic up a little for I Wanna Be Your Man? LOL

Was this the end of their live career (discounting the rooftop)?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:38 pm 

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I have several versions of this show. The best one I had was
a title called All Things Must Pass, a silver DVD from Japan.
I did an A/B comparison of this with the Presence Production
in my home theater.
Both titles have LPCM audio and sound very similar. I do not prefer
one over the other.
The video is where the Presence version really shines. The
colours (colors, for you Americans) are much richer. The blacks
are blacker. It makes my former favourite copy looked washed
out in comparison. I believe mine was transfered from a laser disc.
Also my single layer DVD also has the July 1 show as well as the
Shea Stadium August 15, 1965 show on it. 110 minutes of video and
LPCM audio should have been on a DL disc.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:11 pm 
Don't know what more I can add other than I feel you can discard any other version out there you might already have. I have about 7 versions and this one seems to be the best to me. Now your original post mentioned the July 1 show..... :D


Thank you for your effort.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:48 pm 
Ok, here's a bit in real-time, as I watch it on a full TV for the first time:

Documentary footage is good quality - sharper than the colour stuff, which I gues betrays the infancy of the colour VT system. Has Ringo got the worst moptop ever??? :shock: Very nice to see the outside of the Budokan for the first time ever.

You can tell the band are trying to play this show - to start, Ringo does his typical splashing on that damned cymbal all the way through Rock And Roll Music, but John is very focussed; check the way he powers into She's A Woman! Notice how Ringo then sharpens up his playing thereafter (even playing a few fills!) Obviously hearing themselves, against a (relatively) restrained audience helps enormously.

Sound is reasonably balanced - Paul's bass comes through with a clear throb though, as has been been pointed out, George's guitar is a little distant. I wonder if it's because he and John are both playing Epiphone Casinos? Certainly when he switches to his Ricky for If I Needed Someone, he's much more audible - unfortunately, he's vocally distracted for this and delivers a pretty lousy vocal; the one on July 1st is MUCH better, as I recall.

Picture-wise, the distance shots have a great depth to them. When you close in on the band, there is an inescapable sense of a "gauze" in front of the picture (it's the only way I can describe it). Also, whilst the fixed and inanimate objects have a strong sense of the colour about them (the Beatles backdrop, the green drape over Ringo's drum-riser) the band's fleshtones are all over the shop - from brown, to pink, to dayglo etc.!
Colourwise, that's the only flaw I can detect - whether it's something that can be changed, or if it's inherent to the recording, it's a small issue.

It's a good setlist - it captures the highlights of their 1964-1966 material nicely,with a mix of singles and great album tracks. I too would have liked We Can Work It Out, and it would have been nice if John could have played organ on I'm Down (I don't think he did this in Germany either?), but other than that it's prety much everything you could want two guitars, bass & drums to do.

Back to Ringo: he's concentrating on the samba beat in I Feel Fine and, apart from some vocal flubs, it sounds really good (the dual riffing comes through excellently here).

Can't say too much about Ringo's number - back to those bloody cymbals again...

Nowhere Man starts very shakily - I like the Munich version better - but perks up very nicely during George's solo, and then descends into mediocre singing again. I think the Munich version (and 7/1/66?) is much better than this.

Anyway, only a couple of numbers left now, so I'm going to settle back & enjoy 'em!

Overall, it's as good a presentation as I could hope for (see above comments re skin tones though) and will make an excellent companion for the July 1st show! :wink: :D



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Should be seeing about 30 more reviews sometime soon. :cuppajoe


Make that 29 now...


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:46 pm 
Finished downloading and watched it. Very impressive. Clear, clean, sync issues early but they were addressed by presence before. The sound is very good. My wife popped in and i showed her. She is used to seeing zep or something else on video, and she was amazed at the visual aspect.
The docu at the beginning is new to me. Didn't matter if i can't speak Japanese it was fun watching the "circus" come to town in the beginning sequence.
The Beatles sign in the background reminds me of the cheesy Zep sign used on the Japanese tour in 71. Seeing Paul sweat is an example of the clarity on this video. Great job, impressive even if I prefer Zep over the Beatles this is one to have. Thanks for sharing it.


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